On Anxiety + Sleep

I have found that with a lot of medications, every single me medication that has been mentioned on these comments I’ve had and been taken off, I’m currently on mitrazipine, diazepam and zopiclone to try and help my sleep… still don’t get very much though! I’m going to try that EMDR/tapping thing though. I’ve had so many chats with my dr about not wanting to be taking so many drugs to help me sleep so I’m really looking forward to trying a plant based product and I’ve got all my fingers and toes crossed it works so I’m not filling my body with rubbish because it also takes a toll on my mental health as well. Thank you all for you amazing help and comments and if you think of anything else PLEASE let me know. :orange_heart:

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Do you fancy reading some research our scientists did when we were reviewing all of the ways sleeplessness and anxiety materialise in us and the plants that have worked for some people some of the time? The papers are written more for science literature review, but there may be things in that you may find interesting. These are internal documents to us but I really don’t mind sharing them with you if you fancy it - at worst, if you find them terribly dry to get through it may help with the onset of sleep!! Let me know. KM

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Yes I would be interested in having a look definitely

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Yes please!!! That would be great!

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Hello, I’ve had insomnia that started when my little boy started reception at school as he has autism and for the best part of 8 months im lucky if i get 4 hours sleep.

I have been prcribed zolpidem, sertraline, zopiclone, phenergan and yes i got a couple of nights sleep but they don’t work long time.

Also i have tried diazapam, nitrazepam, they didn’t do much after a few days.

I was then seen by a different doctor and he has started me on a beater blocker propranolol and i have started a natural night time complex by Hay nutrition and im still not close to getting a goof nights sleep but i do feel the more natural approach is the way forward, lavender is good, this os why im excited for sofi as i think its going to be a game changer.

Merry Christmas guys

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A few files then for your glancing - these are our summarised notes - let me know if you have any questions about anything you read and I will put it to our scientists! In the meantime wishing you a lovely break and hopefully a little bit of rest as well! xx

sofi scientific summary papers:

Part I - The pharmacological pathways of sleeplessness:
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Part II - The pharmacological pathways of anxiety:
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Part III - Plants for treating sleeplessness:
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Part IV - Plants for treating anxiety:
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I was on mitrazipine wasn’t the one for me, gave me a lot of dark feelings that id never have enter my head, see of you can try zolpidem instead im not sure if you have or not but they worked a lot better for me… But i understand each to your own also ask about beater blockers its somthing id never think off but they have helped more than any sleeping or benzo. Merry Christmas.

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I have tried all those medications without success. I’ve had insomnia for 24 years, it just seems a way of life now tbh.

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Hi, I tried tapping the other day and I actually think that it worked. I felt happy and a sense of relief from anxiety for most of the day which was amazing. I did the tapping I’m the morning. It was so nice. I really want to start doing it regularly but need to try and make more “me” time to fit it in. Also, Pukka tea, relaxing/calming ones are lovely to have before bed time. U also drink one called Valerian by Dr Stuart which is really good. Defo try the tapping though

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I am definitely going to research tapping more and hopefully give it a go. Might get my daughter to give it a try too. :crossed_fingers:

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I have had this done and I have to say it took it’s time to have a slight effect on me but at £50.00 a week it’s very expensive and the course is over 6 weeks but unfortunately it’s not had any long term help for me
I hope it works for everyone else

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You can find many tutorials for it on YouTube that might work. That’s where I am going to start trying.

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Thanks for all the ideas… I tried EMDR and unfortunately it had the opposite effect it was meant to :pensive: it made my anxiety worse :woman_facepalming:t2:

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That’s a shame. Hopefully you will find something that helps soon

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Hopefully yeah, all my drs are finally working together now to try help me but I just don’t want to be taking a load of lab made drugs to help me slept, would rather something a lot more natural and not as addictive and with less side effects

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It’s exactly why we been working on sofi. We don’t believe that the lab stuff is bad or terrible … we are just worried about what it does in the long term - what it does in chronic use rather than say an acute headache … there’s also this idea that one our Scientific Advisory has @stephendahmermd where he believes that it is actually possible to use both modern medicine and plants in conjunction together so as to reduce entire reliance on the meds. But we are working on this @HayleyIoM ! You know sofi will always have to thread a very careful line in not making medical claims - but what we do know is that the plants we are looking to activate have a long history in human health (like valerian) and what we are really trying to understand now is to what extent if any it can make an improvement for @HayleyIoM … and if it doesn’t, how do we take that learning of none response and make the next recommendation for plan targeting the problem from a slightly different perspective (medical folks call them pharmacological pathway) … I really hope sofi can make a difference Hayley. We are working on it! xx

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I really hope it can make a difference too because I don’t want to constantly be changing my sleeping tablets every two weeks and fulling my body with lots of stuff I don’t know about. I have high hopes for sofi and if it doesn’t work for me I can still say I have learnt a lot about different things to do with sleep and I have a plethora of things to try when I can’t sleep!

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Thank you for the open door, @Kaveh! @HayleyIoM LOVE the spirit of exploration. What @Kaveh and I have discussed forms the basis of Integrative Medicine- using the best of all available therapies, ideally prioritizing those with lowest risk highest. Here is a nice link of sleep support ideas from where I did my fellowship - https://d2tcus0f51u522.cloudfront.net/8815?response-content-disposition=attachment;filename=sleepHandout.pdf

I like to think about how many of these best suggestions I already incorporate, which ones am in eager to try, and how can I make them a part of my regular night ritual in a way that I enjoy.
A relaxing tea, a deep breathing/calming exercise and some gentle aromatherapy (my new favorite is organic helichrysum - activated endocannabinoid receptors!) are three favorites that can support any sleep regimen (and do support mine!). Excited to see how our old friend Valerian might also contribute.

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I rarely have trouble going to sleep - especially since finding the most boring game on the planet to spend a while on the iPad with. I know they say we should have time away from screens before sleep but it works the other way for me. What I do get is broken sleep, and waking up anxious or even annoyed if I have been dreaming. It isn’t the amount of sleep at all its what my brain has been doing whilst I am asleep that seems to be the problem.

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The search for every more sleep and calm has been a topic of much interest us all here in the community. And we know that anxiety is not a perfectly separate bucket to sleeplessness. In fact they often share common “pathways” - sometimes someone believes their main struggle is lack of sleep but actually the underlying cause may not be insomnia but anxiety that is keeping them from chilling out and getting some rest. Well, from today we are beginning to broaden our community here to include Pioneers who are also looking for ever more calm. We are going to start inviting folks to our here who are looking to tackle the stress and feeling of being overwhelmed that sometimes results from an ever more hectic life. Our choice of our first few plants were particularly important as they have the ability to target shared pathways between anxiety and sleeplessness. More on this to come shortly (@alexwalkerjones) and we look forward to extending a warm welcome to our community here to folks looking for both better sleep and more calm. xo

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